[Internal-cg] ICG Call 18 Decisions taken list, Action items list

Lynn St.Amour Lynn at LStAmour.org
Thu Jun 11 13:15:50 UTC 2015

Dear Kavouss,

Daniel's email beat me to it, so I will be brief.  

I also fully support the action of our Chair.   She was following sound protocol, trying to manage to our agreed agenda, being respectful of the time allotted for the call, and trying to ensure everyone who wanted to speak could.  

I note that there were a few comments in the chat room asking everyone to be respectful in tone and language, and that applies to everyone on the call, and equally on email.   As good as call facilities are today, they are no substitute for face to face, and misunderstandings can unfortunately, occur more easily.  

Looking forward to resuming our cordial and collaborative discussions.  We have a lot of important work ahead in the next months, and the work we have all done to date is frankly quite amazing for a global project of this complexity and import.

With best regards,


On Jun 11, 2015, at 8:00 AM, Daniel Karrenberg <daniel.karrenberg at ripe.net> wrote:

> On 11.06.15 13:31 , Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
>> By the  way I was terribly and incorrectly treated yesterday by the chair.
>> I do no longer allow any one no natter at what position he or she is interrupt my intervention in an aggressive and offensive manner.
>> I no longer tolerate such misbehaviour  
> Kavouss,
> it appears to me that your reaction here is disproportionate. What
> happened in my perception is the following:
> Paul made a suggestion that caused quite some reactions.  In order to
> finish the current agenda point in time, the chair asked everyone to
> defer discussion of that particular suggestion until the current
> discussion was completed. There was support for this from the group.
> Subsequently you made an intervention about Paul's suggestion and the
> chair tried to remind you that discussion of that suggestion was not
> currently open. This is fully within the chair's prerogative. It is also
> something that the group expects the chair to do in order to achieve a
> timely and orderly conduct of business.
> Personally I certainly did not perceive any aggression or offensiveness
> from the chair in her attempt to call you to order. I felt at the time
> that she allowed you to go on for too long initially as you were clearly
> out of order.
> There was no misbehaviour. I fully support both the action of the chair
> as well as the manner in which it was conducted.
> I am sure this is all due to misunderstanding, probably caused by a bad
> audio connection.
> I regret that I have to disagree with you and go on record with this
> message. But your action of going on record on this list in the way you
> did leave me no alternative.
> Be assured that there are no personal feelings behind this message other
> than great respect for you.
> Daniel
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