<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>Thanks Joe.</div><div><br></div><div>Let’s have the consensus call on this version then. If anyone objects to the publication of this document, please send email to the list by April 28 at 20:00 UTC.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Alissa</div><br><div><div>On Apr 21, 2015, at 7:02 PM, joseph alhadeff <<a href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
  
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    Colleagues:<br>
    <br>
    I have posted a clean reformatted proposed solution for the
    consensus building comments in drop box and attach it to this email
    for your convenience.<br>
    <br>
    Best-<br>
    <br>
    Joe<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/18/2015 10:01 AM, Kavouss Arasteh
      wrote:<br>
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        <div>Dear Joe,</div>
        <div>I fully agree with your way forward.</div>
        <div>May you kindly edit the former draft in re ordering the
          text and deleting the element of giving option to OCs to elect
          to reply or not and replace it by your text to which I fully
          agree</div>
        <div>Kavouss </div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2015-04-18 14:38 GMT+02:00 Manal Ismail
          <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:manal@tra.gov.eg" target="_blank">manal@tra.gov.eg</a>></span>:<br>
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              <div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Many
                    thanks Mr. Arasteh for your trust ..</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Unfortunately
                    I’m traveling this coming week and have an intense
                    week of meetings ..</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">I
                    won’t be able to dedicate time for this issue, nor
                    will I be able to join the ICG upcoming call, as
                    indicated earlier ..</span></p><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Appreciate
                    being excused ..</span></p><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Kind
                    regards</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">--Manal
                  </span></p><div><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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                        Internal-cg [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:internal-cg-bounces@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg-bounces@ianacg.org</a>]
                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Kavouss Arasteh<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 17, 2015 1:46 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Alissa Cooper<br>
                        <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a></span></p>
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                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus
                        call: Community comments handling</div>
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                    <div><p class="MsoNormal">Alissa</p>
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                    <div><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the message</p>
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                    <div><p class="MsoNormal">Pls note that from the very
                        beginning some if us wanted to give the choice
                        ti OCs to reply or not</p>
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                    <div><p class="MsoNormal">Some others including me were
                        if the opinion that such choice should
                        exclusively be available to ICG to determine how
                        to react. i.e. Reply directly to the comments
                        received which usually would not be the case in
                        practical circumstances or ICG decides ti send
                        the comments to OC concerned and asks that
                        entity to reply and copy the reply to ICG</p>
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                    <div><p class="MsoNormal">This is fundamental and
                        crucial as it is part or duty to oversight that
                        process as indicated in our charter.</p>
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                    <div><p class="MsoNormal">We can not compromise on any
                        provisions of the charter.</p>
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                    <div><p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for your kind
                        understanding and careful attention.</p>
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                    <div><p class="MsoNormal">I suggest Nanal who dealt
                        with this issue kindly continue to find a
                        solution.</p>
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                    <div><p class="MsoNormal"> Regards</p>
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                    <div><p class="MsoNormal">Ksvouss  </p>
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                        Sent from my iPhone</p>
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                        On 16 Apr 2015, at 21:16, Alissa Cooper <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alissa@cooperw.in" target="_blank">alissa@cooperw.in</a>>
                        wrote:</p>
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                        <div><p class="MsoNormal">If any of you who have
                            agreed on edits could edit the document
                            directly and post an update to the list and
                            dropbox, that would be great. Personally I
                            don’t fully understand what changes you all
                            have agreed.</p>
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                        <div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p>
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                        <div><p class="MsoNormal">Alissa</p>
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                          <div><p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 16, 2015, at
                              4:01 AM, Kavouss Arasteh <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>>
                              wrote:</p>
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                              <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Dear
                                    Alissa,</span></p>
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                              <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Pls
                                    be reminded that in the Consensus
                                    building document that we worked for
                                    several  months  ago in which there
                                    was no  mention  of so-called
                                    “ROUGHT CONSENSUS “which is
                                    practiced in your own community and
                                    not in ICG .That rough or soft
                                    consensus was strongly rejected.
                                    Please carefully read that consensus
                                    building document .It is not
                                    appropriate that such document which
                                    established the basis of our works
                                    and completed after more than 300
                                    e-email message be ignored
                                  </span></p>
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                              <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">We
                                    need to be consistent and respect
                                    our earlier decision and agreement.</span></p>
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                              <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">My
                                    suggestions for a simple rewording
                                    has been supported and you need to
                                    take that into account</span></p>
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                              <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">I
                                    do not agree with your position as
                                    it is not consistent with what we
                                    have decided before . You can not
                                    ignor all those agreement and just
                                    refer to “ROUGH CONSENSUS “which was
                                    totally disagreed from the very
                                    beginning
                                  </span></p>
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                              <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">We
                                    need to be practical and comply with
                                    our charter.</span></p>
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                              <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Comments
                                    received should first be considered
                                    by ICG, if it requires reply, the
                                    reply should be give. If it needs to
                                    be sent to OCs ofor further analysis
                                    and reply ,once so decided by ICG
                                    that action should be done.</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">The
                                    decision making ENITY is ICG and not
                                    the OCs .</span></p>
                              </div>
                              <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Comments
                                    received should not left as an
                                    optional process by OCs they must be
                                    treated properly.</span></p>
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                              <div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Many
                                    evidence were witnessed that some OC
                                    do not wish to answer the questions</span></p>
                              </div><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Then
                                  what is the role of the ICG?</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Community
                                  expects a proper action from ICG,</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">The
                                  issue is not so difficult</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Pls
                                  do not make a mass of that.</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Joseph
                                  has made some edits, Milton implicitly
                                  agreed with my edits</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Pls
                                  keep calm and allow us to work. Make
                                  your efforts to converge and not to
                                  diverge</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">This
                                  is an important matter left from
                                  Singapore</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Regards</span></p><p style="background:white;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:6.75pt;margin-left:0in;vertical-align:middle"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:7pt">Kavouss
                                   </span></p>
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                            <div><p class="MsoNormal">2015-04-16 11:56
                                GMT+02:00 Joseph Alhadeff <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>>:</p><p class="MsoNormal">Kavouss:<br>
                                <br>
                                We are in agreement except for one
                                nuance.  When it comes to ICG I agree
                                our actions are in our discretion and
                                answers must come to us.<br>
                                <br>
                                 As you know, I have been an advocate of
                                consultation and transparency; if a
                                person sends us a question related to an
                                OC propsal which we believe has been
                                answered in the OC propsals or which we
                                do not see as worthy of follow up-
                                excluding the spam Patrik noted- we
                                should still forward that question on an
                                OC propsal to the OC in question so they
                                can decide if they need to answer or
                                explain their  actions further to
                                optimize community consensus.  We need
                                maximum transparency and consensus
                                across all of our efforts...<br>
                                <br>
                                I hope this helps clarify the thinking
                                related to the need to forward questions
                                that should have better been addressed
                                to the OC...<br>
                                <br>
                                Joe<br>
                                <br>
                                Sent from my Android phone using
                                TouchDown (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.nitrodesk.com/" target="_blank">www.nitrodesk.com</a>)<br>
                                <br>
                                -----Original Message-----<br>
                                <br>
                                From: Kavouss Arasteh [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com" target="_blank">kavouss.arasteh@gmail.com</a>]<br>
                                Received: Thursday, 16 Apr 2015, 4:41AM<br>
                                To: Joseph Alhadeff [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>]<br>
                                CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a> [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a>];
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a>
                                [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a>]</p>
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                                <div><p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re:
                                    [Internal-cg] Consensus call:
                                    Community comments handling<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Dear Joseph<br>
                                    Exactly . It is only and only ICG
                                    who decides to whether or not a
                                    comment received needs to be replied
                                    and not all comments.<br>
                                    Once again the choice us within ICG
                                    and nit OCs<br>
                                    Regards<br>
                                    Kavouss<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Sent from my iPhone<br>
                                    <br>
                                    > On 16 Apr 2015, at 09:57,
                                    Joseph Alhadeff <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>>
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > As to a it is our option not
                                    obligation to every comment.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > Sent from my Android phone
                                    using TouchDown (<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.nitrodesk.com/" target="_blank">www.nitrodesk.com</a>)<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > -----Original Message-----<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > From: Patrik Fältström [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:paf@frobbit.se" target="_blank">paf@frobbit.se</a>]<br>
                                    > Received: Thursday, 16 Apr
                                    2015, 2:16AM<br>
                                    > To: joseph alhadeff [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>]<br>
                                    > CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a>
                                    [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:internal-cg@ianacg.org" target="_blank">internal-cg@ianacg.org</a>]<br>
                                    > Subject: Re: [Internal-cg]
                                    Consensus call: Community comments
                                    handling<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    >> On 16 apr 2015, at 00:09,
                                    joseph alhadeff <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com" target="_blank">joseph.alhadeff@oracle.com</a>>
                                    wrote:<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Choices:<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> a.  We decide that the
                                    comment we received is worthy of our
                                    own follow up and it inspires us to
                                    ask the same or related question(s)
                                    to the proposal drafters. This we
                                    have the ability to do at all times.<br>
                                    >> b.  As the comment goes to
                                    a proposal as opposed to our process
                                    or the joint proposal, we are not in
                                    a position to properly answer the
                                    question.  As such we could forward
                                    the question to the correct
                                    community, on the chance that the
                                    asker of the question may not have
                                    also addressed the community.<br>
                                    >> c.  Since we are working
                                    transparently, I assume all of the
                                    questions we receive will be
                                    available online.  If a community
                                    commits to keeping watch for
                                    relevant comments then we don't have
                                    to worry about forwarding comments.<br>
                                    >><br>
                                    >> Options b and c in no way
                                    limit our rights and abilities under
                                    a.  b and c are merely concepts that
                                    assure the greatest transparency and
                                    assurance that comments are routed
                                    to those groups best able to address
                                    them.  It takes a no wrong door
                                    approach to comments and helps
                                    assure that those not familiar with
                                    the consultation process are also
                                    able to get their questions heard.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > We also have d. various trolls
                                    and denial of service attacks that
                                    we can at point of inspection "just
                                    ignore". Specifically because of b.
                                    and c. And b. issues might be picked
                                    up by the OC themselves. Either
                                    because it was adressed to them as
                                    well as ICG, or because they saw it
                                    (according to c.).<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > I.e. we are inspired by
                                    whatever comments come in, and might
                                    ask/forward questions to the OC's.
                                    OC's can also watch the list and act
                                    themselves on whatever is sent in.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    > But I do not see us or OC be
                                    required to act on _every_ comment
                                    coming in. Specifically not having
                                    ICG send _every_ comment to the OC's
                                    for action.<br>
                                    ><br>
                                    >   Patrik<br>
                                    >
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